Vice Presidential Pool Reports of May 19, 2025

VP print pool report - Italy - Vance arrives to meet Pope Leo

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VP Vance arrived at the Vatican at 7:56 am local time for an audience with Pope Leo XIV, per a spokesperson. Secretary Rubio is also in attendance.

This meeting is closed to pool, which is holding at hotel. Updates as they become available.

VP print pool report — audience concludes

Per a VP spokesperson, Vance's audience with the pope wrapped about 8:40 am local time.

Pool still holding at hotel.

VP print pool report - Italy, Day 3 - Vance has departed Vatican

VP Vance departed the Vatican about 9:30 amlocal time and was en route to the US embassy, per a spokesperson. Once there, he will tape a podcast with Ross Douthat of the New York Times.

Pool is holding at the embassy and will advise of further movements and updates.

Vance print pool report - Italy Day 3 - More details of audience with pope

A spokesperson for the vice president passes along additional details from this morning's audience with Pope Leo XIV:

The VP's meeting with the pope began one-on-one. Following the one-on-one, Secretary Rubio joined, and following that portion, their spouses and the larger U.S. delegation joined.

Also: Vance's press secretary shared photos on X of the VP's meeting with the pope began 1x1. Following the 1x1, Secretary Rubio joined, and following that portion, they were joined by their spouses and the larger U.S. delegation.]these photos on X. Per the VP's office, photos are courtesy of the Vatican.

VP print pool - Italy Day 3 - Vance returns to lodging location

Following the podcast taping, the vice president has returned to his lodging location in Rome, per a spokesperson.

Pool will hold on site until departure.

VP print pool report - Vance's gift for the pope

At his audience today with Pope XIV, VP Vance presented the pontiff and Chicago native with a Chicago Bears jersey with the name Pope Leo and XIV on the back.

Vance's office points to this post and photo, which it says came from the Vatican. https://x.com/catholicsat/status/1924408896904462470?s=46

VP print pool - Another Vance gift for Leo

A Vance spokesperson adds that in addition to the Bears jersey…

The other gift given by the VP to the Pope was a book:

"The City of God on Christian Doctrine" by Saint Augustine.

The VP chose Saint Augustine as his patron saint when he converted to Catholicism and was baptized in 2019.

VP print pool report - Italy Day 3 - en route to Fiumicino airport / departure

VP Vance's motorcade departed at 2:05 pm local time from the Piazza del Popolo area in Rome, after the VP and second lady had lunch at San Baylon and briefly browsed for wine at a nearby store.

Motorcade now en route to Fiumicino airport for departure back to US.

Pool joined motorcade near the lunch site but was not inside during the meal.

Vance print report - departing Rome

VP Vance and the second lady boarded Air Force 2 at Fiumicino airport at 2:48 pm local time in Rome.

Plane is now taxiing ant 3:19 pm and will be wheels up soon. We expect refueling along the way before returning to JBA this evening.

We had a brief gaggle and endeavoring to get highlights out before wheels up and loss of WiFi stay tuned.

Vance print pool - Gaggle highlights on AF2

Quotes from gaggle just now with VP on AF2 but please check against Otter.

Highlighting his answer on Biden's health first:

" I mean, first of all, of course, we wish the best for the former president's health. And, you know, it sounds pretty serious, but hopefully he makes the right recovery.

"Look, I will say, whether the right time to have this conversation is now or at some point in the future, we really do need to be honest about whether the former president was capable of doing the job. And that's that's … you can separate the desire for him to have the right health outcome with a recognition that whether it was doctors or whether there were staffers around the former president, I don't think he was able to do a good job for the American people. And that's not politics. That's not because I disagreed with him on policy. That's because I don't think that he was in good enough health. In some ways I blame him less than I blame the people around him. And why didn't the American people have a better sense of his health picture? Why didn't the American people have more accurate information about what he was actually dealing with? This is serious stuff. This the guy who carries around the nuclear football for the world's largest nuclear arsenal. This is not child's play, and we can pray for good health, but also recognize that if you're not in good enough health to do the job, you shouldn'tbe doing the job."

And now for the rest:

Brief opening remarks:

"First of all, we're thrilled to join the first people pass with first American vote, hopefully the 14th. He and I had a very conversation with Secretary Rubio this morning, we talked about a number of diplomatic issues. And I think the Vatican, in particular, the Pope, is going to be a great advocate of world peace. And obviously, I serve a president I think is a great advocate of world peace. And so we're going to find some very important things to work together on. So I appreciate you guys coming. I hope you guys had fun."

Question on whether US is open to walking away from Russia-Ukraine negotiations

Answer:

"Look, I'd say we're more than open to walking away the President's supposed to talk to President Putin of Russia, President Zelenskyy as well. And I'm sure we'll talk to a number of world leaders today, because he always does that. But look, the President's been very clear, this is not the United States is not going to spend its wills here. We want to see outcomes. And the first major outcome that we wanted to see, which we were glad about, is that we wanted the Russians, the Ukrainians, to put a real peace proposal on the table. What would you need to do? And we're going to stop finding that happen. The second thing is, they needed to agree to direct talks with one another. Besides, hadn't talked in years. We thought that was a disgrace. That has now happened, but now the talks have been proceeding for a little while. We realize there's a bit of an impasse here, and I think the President's going to say to President Putin, look, are you serious? Are you real about this? Because the proposal from the United States has always been. Look, there are a lot of economic benefits to thawing relations between Russia and the rest of the world, but you're not going to get those benefits you keep on killing a lot of innocent people. So if you're willing to stop the killing, the United States is willing to be a partner for peace. That's been the proposal to the Russians, to the Ukrainians, and, frankly, to nations and other hot spots around the world. I will pre judge the President's conversation. I actually was just on the phone with him. I know he's looking forward to it, and I wish him all the best. I think he's the right guy to negotiate for the country."

Q on Axios report about Vance nixing a possible Israel trip

A:

"I haven't seen the story, to be clear, so I don't want to speak to the details, but the simple reason is, we thought about going to Israel. We also thought about going to a couple of other countries that the President would like me to visit here in the next few months. Logistically, it was just a little bit too hard on basic things like, Who the hell is going to take care of our kids if we take another couple of days overseas? But on some more serious things, like, how do we provide security? How do we make sure that we get all the assets that we need in order to do the right official delegation? So I'm sure we'll visit Israel sometime in the future, but not today."

Another Q on Russia-Ukraine and obstacles to deal.

A:

"I don't know it's a good question, but there are so many different things that are obstacles that it's hard to pinpoint one in particular. Look, I think one open question is, is Vladimir Putin serious about negotiating peace? Right? He has made some concessions. He has taken some serious steps in these conversations. But we feel like, you know, we're at a point where we're hitting an impasse, and that's why the President is talking to him on the phone. Guy, I think, honestly, that President Putin, he doesn't quite know how to get out of the war. If you think about this, he's got a million men under arms. He's re engineered his entire economy, what used to be manufacturing facilities making products for people to use in their civilian life. They're now making tank shells and artillery shells and drones. And so this is a little bit of guess, but I think the President would agree that part of this is, I'm not sure that Vladimir Putin has a strategy himself for how to unwind the war. Of course, that's been going on for a few years now, and I think there's also just a little bit of look, there's fundamental mistrust between Russia and the West. It's one of the things the President thinks is, frankly, stupid, that that we should be able to move beyond the mistakes that have been made in the past. But that takes two to tango. I know the President's willing to do that, but if Russia is not willing to do that, then we're eventually just gonna have to say, this is not our war. It's Joe Biden's war, it's Vladimir Putin's war. It's not our war. We're gonna try to end it, but if we can end it, we're eventually gonna say, You know what? That was worth a try, but we're not doing anymore."

Otter link: https://otter.ai/u/5d1eWRsxVa-xFdWXAhabHM-OhGg

We are about to be wheels up with no WiFi so please consult Otter with any questions!

Vance print pool report - scheduled refueling in Ireland

Air Force Two landed for a scheduled refueling at Shannon Airport in Ireland at 5:27 pm local time.

After some mild turbulence as AF2 descended out of the clouds, a rainbow appeared outside the cabin windows. And after landing, we are here on the ground until the plane is refueled and ready for the final leg.

Will update once wheels up for JBA or as otherwise necessary.

Vance print pool report - refueled and departing Shannon AirPort

Air Force Two is refueled and we are taxiing at 7 pm local time for departure from Shannon Airport.

Expecting a return flight to JBA lasting just over seven hours

Vance print pool report - back at Andrews - Marine Two departs

Air Force Two landed at JBA at 8:38 pm.

VP Vance and second lady Usha Vance walked off the plane in casual clothes and headed for Marine Two.

Marine Two wheels up at 8:58 pm.

And that's all for the Italy/Vatican trip. Apologies for any typos along the way. It's been a pleasure pooling for you.